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		<title>By: Shepherdess777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shepherdess777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THanks for this Adam, what a great way of us being able to look at something together.   I have been a bit flustered thinking of how to apply this weeks lectionary to the season but when I &#039;happend&#039; upon all of you, I got some new Ideas!
BUt wanting to bring in &#039;the Church moving from where we are into the Permanent realm of Eternity!&#039; Shall we discuss that? Open to suggestions. Maybe Jesus&#039; 1st comming ushered that time in or is it just in the 2nd comming? Are we in eternity now, but just in &#039;timed&#039; bodies, should we now move for eternity? urrrrmmmm
New Lay Preacher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THanks for this Adam, what a great way of us being able to look at something together.   I have been a bit flustered thinking of how to apply this weeks lectionary to the season but when I &#8216;happend&#8217; upon all of you, I got some new Ideas!<br />
BUt wanting to bring in &#8216;the Church moving from where we are into the Permanent realm of Eternity!&#8217; Shall we discuss that? Open to suggestions. Maybe Jesus&#8217; 1st comming ushered that time in or is it just in the 2nd comming? Are we in eternity now, but just in &#8216;timed&#8217; bodies, should we now move for eternity? urrrrmmmm<br />
New Lay Preacher</p>
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		<title>By: adamjcopeland</title>
		<link>http://www.adamjcopeland.com/2007/11/26/sermon-workshop-2/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>adamjcopeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Walk.  I&#039;ve been called by much worse.

Good question, Dad (Brant).  And Advent really messes with our expectations even more because we eventually get something, we get Christ at the celebration we call Christmas.  But, in this weird church year cycle, we still don&#039;t know what to expect, as we&#039;re still in that in-between time that Paul is dealing with--Cullmann&#039;s &quot;christ already but not yet.&quot;  But perhaps we should deal with that later and push Advent for the time being.

As Bruggeman, says in the Covenant Network video, &quot;God&#039;s new things tend to blow our socks off.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Walk.  I&#8217;ve been called by much worse.</p>
<p>Good question, Dad (Brant).  And Advent really messes with our expectations even more because we eventually get something, we get Christ at the celebration we call Christmas.  But, in this weird church year cycle, we still don&#8217;t know what to expect, as we&#8217;re still in that in-between time that Paul is dealing with&#8211;Cullmann&#8217;s &#8220;christ already but not yet.&#8221;  But perhaps we should deal with that later and push Advent for the time being.</p>
<p>As Bruggeman, says in the Covenant Network video, &#8220;God&#8217;s new things tend to blow our socks off.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the challenge, at least, in the USA, of Advent preaching is that the expection associated with the season is the expectation of getting presents under the tree.

Advent expectation is different.  Isaiah hopes/longs for peace.  Paul expects Jesus&#039; imminent return, but urges the Romans not to let their standards down.  No PHI PHI DELTA PHI or whatever fraterinity beer bashes.

Perhaps worth asking: what do we expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the challenge, at least, in the USA, of Advent preaching is that the expection associated with the season is the expectation of getting presents under the tree.</p>
<p>Advent expectation is different.  Isaiah hopes/longs for peace.  Paul expects Jesus&#8217; imminent return, but urges the Romans not to let their standards down.  No PHI PHI DELTA PHI or whatever fraterinity beer bashes.</p>
<p>Perhaps worth asking: what do we expect?</p>
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		<title>By: Walk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam -- I called you by your father&#039;s name.  Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8212; I called you by your father&#8217;s name.  Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Walk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for asking these questions, Brant.  I&#039;m preaching from the Isaiah text and one from 1 John 1 that ties into our Advent theme this year at Northminster.

I want to think more about the Coming of God to judge, then bring peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for asking these questions, Brant.  I&#8217;m preaching from the Isaiah text and one from 1 John 1 that ties into our Advent theme this year at Northminster.</p>
<p>I want to think more about the Coming of God to judge, then bring peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Goss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Goss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pruning hook may well have been used mainly in viticulture (grape vines), as vines need constant pruning (hence Jesus&#039; allusions in John 15).  As such it would have been a short-handled implement with a hooked blade suitable for striking off the thin branches of vines.
However, this &#039;judgement&#039; aspect would be less important in Isaiah than the principle of exchanging weapons of war for tools of peace, instruments of death for instruments of life (food production).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pruning hook may well have been used mainly in viticulture (grape vines), as vines need constant pruning (hence Jesus&#8217; allusions in John 15).  As such it would have been a short-handled implement with a hooked blade suitable for striking off the thin branches of vines.<br />
However, this &#8216;judgement&#8217; aspect would be less important in Isaiah than the principle of exchanging weapons of war for tools of peace, instruments of death for instruments of life (food production).</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that a pruning hook, while not your typical weapon (except in scary psycho horror movies), does have a connotation of judgment.  In other words, does the pruning hook remove your not so great parts from your person/soul or does it remove not so great persons/souls from the corporate body.  Clearly, I like the first idea better than the latter.

By baptism, I&#039;m assuming you were picturing in your head the white robes that the newly baptized put on after their immersion in the buff.  My grandfather was talking with the new female rabbi in Dothan, and she was explaining how when she converted to Judaism, she had to undergo a ritual washing very similar to our baptism, where she had to be completely naked and immersed but her feet couldn&#039;t touch the floor of the pool--so it was only water touching her on all sides.

My dad, when he didn&#039;t really know what to say, used to say one of two things (both of which he picked up at the Naval Academy).  The first was, &quot;Go Navy, beat Army!&quot;  I know, truly profound.  The other was, &quot;Get Naked.&quot;  The thought of getting naked for Jesus makes me smile.

When I think of armor, I think of something clunky, heavy, uncomfortable, and awkward.  Something hard to move in.  I wonder what armor would have looked and felt like in Paul&#039;s time.  Perhaps it was lighter and more supple than our medieval stereotypes.  An armor of light seems less about protection and more about illumination. It also seems like something you can move in. My kind of armor.

Is a pruning hook part of the armor of Christ?

I also like in Isaiah the image of everyone going on a pilgrimmage to God&#039;s Mountain.  It makes me think of Mountain Day at Williams.  It was on an undetermined Friday in the Fall, to be decided the night before by the President of the College (About that day and hour, no one knows, not even the Son...).  At midnight on a Thursday night, the bells would go crazy, and everyone would know that classes were cancelled the next day.  Friday, everyone would hike up the mountain, and there would be a big celebration with different groups performing, etc.  In the Isaiah text, I picture everyone streaming in from everywhere, converging on the paths that lead up the mountain.  So you have the people converging and going up the mountain, but you also have instruction and the Word coming out (from Jerusalem, from Zion).  In come the people, out come instruction and the Word.  Again, perhaps this is another instance when illumination replaces war.  Not the armor of defense, the armor of illumination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that a pruning hook, while not your typical weapon (except in scary psycho horror movies), does have a connotation of judgment.  In other words, does the pruning hook remove your not so great parts from your person/soul or does it remove not so great persons/souls from the corporate body.  Clearly, I like the first idea better than the latter.</p>
<p>By baptism, I&#8217;m assuming you were picturing in your head the white robes that the newly baptized put on after their immersion in the buff.  My grandfather was talking with the new female rabbi in Dothan, and she was explaining how when she converted to Judaism, she had to undergo a ritual washing very similar to our baptism, where she had to be completely naked and immersed but her feet couldn&#8217;t touch the floor of the pool&#8211;so it was only water touching her on all sides.</p>
<p>My dad, when he didn&#8217;t really know what to say, used to say one of two things (both of which he picked up at the Naval Academy).  The first was, &#8220;Go Navy, beat Army!&#8221;  I know, truly profound.  The other was, &#8220;Get Naked.&#8221;  The thought of getting naked for Jesus makes me smile.</p>
<p>When I think of armor, I think of something clunky, heavy, uncomfortable, and awkward.  Something hard to move in.  I wonder what armor would have looked and felt like in Paul&#8217;s time.  Perhaps it was lighter and more supple than our medieval stereotypes.  An armor of light seems less about protection and more about illumination. It also seems like something you can move in. My kind of armor.</p>
<p>Is a pruning hook part of the armor of Christ?</p>
<p>I also like in Isaiah the image of everyone going on a pilgrimmage to God&#8217;s Mountain.  It makes me think of Mountain Day at Williams.  It was on an undetermined Friday in the Fall, to be decided the night before by the President of the College (About that day and hour, no one knows, not even the Son&#8230;).  At midnight on a Thursday night, the bells would go crazy, and everyone would know that classes were cancelled the next day.  Friday, everyone would hike up the mountain, and there would be a big celebration with different groups performing, etc.  In the Isaiah text, I picture everyone streaming in from everywhere, converging on the paths that lead up the mountain.  So you have the people converging and going up the mountain, but you also have instruction and the Word coming out (from Jerusalem, from Zion).  In come the people, out come instruction and the Word.  Again, perhaps this is another instance when illumination replaces war.  Not the armor of defense, the armor of illumination.</p>
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		<title>By: adamjcopeland</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil et al,
Chapter 13 is instructions for right ways to live.  Just before the lectionary passage is a reminder to follow the commandments.  Paul instructs as to how to function in society, and how to act as a Christian in general.

A pruning hook, from the Hebrew &quot;mazmerah&quot; is another device used for agriculture.  These days, they tend to be on long poles but back in the day they probably had shorter handles and were used in the harvest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil et al,<br />
Chapter 13 is instructions for right ways to live.  Just before the lectionary passage is a reminder to follow the commandments.  Paul instructs as to how to function in society, and how to act as a Christian in general.</p>
<p>A pruning hook, from the Hebrew &#8220;mazmerah&#8221; is another device used for agriculture.  These days, they tend to be on long poles but back in the day they probably had shorter handles and were used in the harvest.</p>
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		<title>By: philrossbrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>philrossbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question One:
What is Paul responding to when he says &quot;besides these...?&quot; Perhaps looking at how all of this comes together might be helpful.
Also, What in the world is a pruning hook? To be beat into a pruning hook means what? The plowshares means that food becomes more important than violence--maybe some table imagery? But, sorry for my ignorance, what is a pruning hook.
Hope this helps--or at least confuses more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question One:<br />
What is Paul responding to when he says &#8220;besides these&#8230;?&#8221; Perhaps looking at how all of this comes together might be helpful.<br />
Also, What in the world is a pruning hook? To be beat into a pruning hook means what? The plowshares means that food becomes more important than violence&#8211;maybe some table imagery? But, sorry for my ignorance, what is a pruning hook.<br />
Hope this helps&#8211;or at least confuses more.</p>
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		<title>By: adamjcopeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>adamjcopeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input thus far (except for Michael who, unfortunately doesn&#039;t have a blog for me to write sarcastic comments.)

Paul also uses, &quot;putting on Christ&quot; in Gal 3:26 which is also translated this way:  &quot;You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.&quot;

I like the tie-in to baptism.  I wonder how Advent, specifically, relates to baptism.  Wish I had the Stookey book that&#039;s on my shelf in Decatur!  So, to Neal, perhaps putting on Christ is much more than surface level.  Maybe it&#039;s about understanding who we truly are underneath our surface-level Mission Impossible disguises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input thus far (except for Michael who, unfortunately doesn&#8217;t have a blog for me to write sarcastic comments.)</p>
<p>Paul also uses, &#8220;putting on Christ&#8221; in Gal 3:26 which is also translated this way:  &#8220;You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like the tie-in to baptism.  I wonder how Advent, specifically, relates to baptism.  Wish I had the Stookey book that&#8217;s on my shelf in Decatur!  So, to Neal, perhaps putting on Christ is much more than surface level.  Maybe it&#8217;s about understanding who we truly are underneath our surface-level Mission Impossible disguises.</p>
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