GA BLOG: A Fair Hearing?
(The Outlook website has this post up too, though comments here aren’t moderated as they are there so they pop up more quickly. I’ll keep this post up too.)
An Explanation of the Procedural Questions on the Definition of Marriage at General Assembly
Way too early, Friday Morning at GA in Minneapolis….
I’m seeing lots of questions and concerns on Twitter about what happened last night at General Assembly. Folks might be confused some complex parliamentary procedure things went down, and it’s especially difficult to follow new motions when watching the live feed of GA online.
A quite accurate 140-character summary that caught on last night reads:
PCUSA marriage debate wrap-up: We don’t really feel like hashing this out right now, so meet back here in two years? YES.
In fact, I think that quick summary is a valid analysis, but for a few more than 140 characters, read on. I’m too exhausted to write in paragraphs, so I’ll just interrogate myself:
Q: Was that fair?
A: Yes. There’s no doubt in my mind the assembly acted in accordance to correct Robert’s Rules of Order.
Q: So why are some so angry?
A: Because folks were prepared to speak to the motion of the General Assembly Civil Union and Marriage Issues Committee to change the definition of marriage on our Book of Order to read between “to people” instead of “a man and a woman.” This change passed the committee by a vote of 34 to 18. People were prepared to speak to this particular motion of the committee, however the motion never came up.
Q: What do you mean, “it didn’t come up?” I thought you’ve posted before on the importance of “minority voice” within Robert’s Rules?
A: Indeed, but the assembly voted (348-324), in essence, not to go there – and rather to answer all pending items before the committee by affirming a tradition definition of marriage.
Q: Huh? Say that in another way.
A: The assembly never had a motion on the floor to change the definition of marriage. Instead, the question before the assembly essentially was, “should we have the discussion on changing the definition of marriage tonight or not?” I think this is what threw some people for a loop. They were all excited to get to speak for or against defining marriage “between two people” and instead they had to speak about whether to speak about it or not.
Q: Could the assembly vote today to reconsider and have the discussion?
A: Only if somebody changed the vote and called to reconsider. (My analysis: said person would have to be really organized and eloquent, and have some backup ready at several microphones because assemblies very rarely want to make more work for themselves.)
Q: So what do you think? Was what went down appropriate?
A: Technically yes. Perfectly. The rules were followed completely. But, I do think it’s unfortunate some feel like they didn’t have an opportunity to speak to what was on their heart – the not-quite-yet-proposed change in the definition of marriage. My guess is that such a debate would not have changed the assembly’s mind – I don’t think this assembly would have voted to change the definition of marriage even if they argued about it all night – but, they might have acted on a more moderate proposal they didn’t discuss which would have given an Authoritative Interpretation on our current constitution which would read:
Since several states have recognized that marriage is a fundamental right for all persons, and since the definition of marriage in the Directory for Worship can be interpreted as descriptive and therefore does not mandate that a marriage contract must be only between a man and a woman, the 219th General Assembly (2010) declares that in the states which authorize same-gender marriage, pastors may officiate at such marriages in the context of Christian worship.
The action of the assembly to answer “all pending items” with the traditional definition also meant they didn’t address this overture directly either.
Q: Wow. This all sounds so political and confusing. What’s up with that?
A: Well, yes, it is. I think of Winston Churchill who is said to have said, “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” So I say: the way we do things ain’t always pretty, but it’s what we got.
UPDATE: Motion to reconsider failed 275-407, 40% – 60%. The tweet quoted early in this post remains valid.
(Thanks for reading, see also my post: The Questions Coming Sunday Morning on The Outlook blog.)





some other issues like protection for clergy in states where gay marriage is already legal were not considered either.
Thanks for this concise wrap-up of last night’s discussions.
Barbara
oh right I see you mention that at the end…should have read all the way through!
that’s cool, Jim. I’m so tired I’m sure there’s typos all over the place and I’m scared to read it through again. Oh….GA!
Adam, great summary of things. One additional point I would add: I think the car went off the rails when the Assembly somehow ended up with a substitute motion where the substitute and main motions were essentially identical. Robert’s Rules is not supposed to let us get there, but somehow this slipped through. From this outsider’s perspective, that’s when the mayhem began that led eventually to the final motion to answer everything with this one thing – a routine move that felt particularly good because of the late hour.
Recently, I was explaining what General Assembly is to a Catholic friend of mine. Her response? “I mean, I know the pope is wrong sometimes, but at least I don’t have to do anything.” (She was mostly kidding.) So, yes, the maneuvering at GA is tiresome, but at least we get to do something…led by the Spirit, of course.
Adam, thanks for the summary.
I’m starting to notice that the exhaustion and fatigue around this issue that our older/wiser MoWS & Elders (40+) have been feeling for the last 10+ years… is beginning to creep into the YA crowd as well. Self included.
I feel the compelled to vent. Must we continue to exhaust ourselves? For what? Only to lose focus on that which is before us? And what exactly is before us? Let us look to our past in order to see our future:
1. The proclamation of the gospel for the salvation of humankind
2. The shelter, nurture, and spiritual fellowship of the children of God
3. The maintenance of divine worship
4. The preservation of the truth
5. The promotion of social righteousness
6. The exhibition of the Kingdom of Heaven to the world
A favorite quote of mine is from C.S. Lewis. “I believe in God like I believe in the sun, not because I can see it, but because of it all things are seen.” Perhaps it’s time for us to finally unpack the Six Great Ends and explore what they mean; particularly #6. A great starting point is always exegesis. If done properly, it prevents anyone – conservative, moderate, progressive, or liberal – from proof-texting.
I’ll close by using a metaphor for how I feel… This old jalopy is beginning to get very tired, used, and boring. Newer, prettier, more exciting and efficient models are on the streets. I’m beginning to wonder if it’s time to trade in the old jalopy for a newer model.
Sadly,
Dan